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Offroad Trailer build
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azflycaster
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Offroad Trailer build Reply with quote

Any things better than climbing a ladder to go to bed......... Confused

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:50 am    Post subject: Re: Offroad Trailer build Reply with quote

Good idea on the ice house, I used the same one before in Montana and it does a good job w blocking the wind and rain. Make sure you have something to seal up around the bottom of the tent..that's where cold air comes in...we would use snow for ice fishing then pour water on it.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 6:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Offroad Trailer build Reply with quote

azflycaster1 wrote:
Any things better than climbing a ladder to go to bed......... Confused

Don't knock it until you've tried it, just watch the first step coming out.

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I thought you weren't doing boy scouts any more???
glideraz wrote:
i'm glad i figured out your shaft was already f'ed up
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ClutchBurner
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Offroad Trailer build Reply with quote

I been hard at work,I got the wheel wells almost done.Im looking for some advise I only have the wheel wells only tack welded .Should I weld them on or make them bolt on for some reason I would need to remove them?
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BellyDoc
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Offroad Trailer build Reply with quote

Dunno if there's any reason to remove them, but consider not framing them unless you plan on loading weight on top.

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az4runner wrote:
glideraz wrote:
if I where you I would just get some jb weld
Is jb weld really as strong as if I just welded them on with my welder?

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Could be stronger it all depends on how you weld
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ClutchBurner
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:17 am    Post subject: Re: Offroad Trailer build Reply with quote

BellyDoc wrote:
Teach me more about your heat control technique using the foot pedal. When you're welding mild steel material like this project, do you start with a heavy foot and then back off to some level that you're likely to keep for the rest of the weld? Do you taper off as the heat builds up? Do you vary the heat input with every dip of the rod? Do you ever stop a weld because the heat is going to get out of control and then come back to it later?

Sorry Doc for not giving you a qwick reply been busy with the trailer. As for work I use a foot pedal on the tig welder I use at work.I do not have a foot pedal On the tig welder I have at home, It has a dial wheel I control with my finger.I have grown fond of my finger tip control,I can weld in any position and not worry about having to push on a foot pedel.

I use this setup for buttwelds I bought the air cooled wp9 smaller torch head to have better control and use the 20 series torch cup,collet gas lens,and back cap



I use this set up for fillet welds its a #7 aluma cup for aluminum,I like it for getting into tight weld areas.


If you want to weld some titanium you can go with a set up like this and run a trailing cup behind it.
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Ok back to your question's a whole lot of things are coming into play foot pedal control, torch movement speed, wire feed being applied for amps being used to melt weld joint. I will start my torch soft and apply amps as needed to melt the weld joint, if I see my weld puddle start to grow back off the pedal ever so slightly. Doc how is your filler rod feeding can to feed a whole rod length with your left hand without stopping? if not you need to practice feeding rod. You will never have puddle control if your struggling to apply filler rod to your weld joint. If you see your weld puddle getting out of control yes just stop back your torch up and restart ,you control the heat and filler rod it does not control you like mig you pull the trigger you better get moving. Try this get two pieces of 1/8 inch mild steel sheet metal make a key hole or gap the two base metals about 1/16 set your tig welder around 50 amps or more tack weld the top and bottom ends don't worry about the back side it will be burnt because of no gas back up. The moment you start your torch full pedal it to the ground, and start adding filler rod this will teach you torch travel speed to hot speed up your movement speed to cold slow down your movement speed and add filler rod based on your movement speed. Doc get your garage set up I can stop by and give you some pointers. John here are some more tips torch angle, tungsten stick out, how close your are holding your torch to work piece to high a wider arc will happen. Everything will have to come into play to have a consisted weld bead from start to finish. Best tip mild steel is dirty you will need to clean it like you are going into surgery, I even acetone my weld joint before welding them. Also you can runs beads on a flat sheet stock over and over until you want to joy puke to find your happy medium.
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BellyDoc
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:33 am    Post subject: Re: Offroad Trailer build Reply with quote

I can see I need to accessorize further. I have basically one set up I've been using for all TIG practice sessions.

I can't feed rod cleanly yet. I remember the guy who ran the welding shop class at Santa Barbara City College had his prized TIG gloves, and he didn't want anyone else trying them on. There was this groove on the side of a finger that he had worn in, and he said it would get screwed up if someone else wore his glove.

I've gone through a few pairs of gloves. They end up getting burnt from touching hot metal and I've never worn in a groove yet.

What hood do you wear? Which number filter? Do you change filter for aluminum vs. steel?

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az4runner wrote:
glideraz wrote:
if I where you I would just get some jb weld
Is jb weld really as strong as if I just welded them on with my welder?

glideraz wrote:
Could be stronger it all depends on how you weld
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ClutchBurner
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:49 am    Post subject: Re: Offroad Trailer build Reply with quote

BellyDoc wrote:
I can see I need to accessorize further. I have basically one set up I've been using for all TIG practice sessions.

I can't feed rod cleanly yet. I remember the guy who ran the welding shop class at Santa Barbara City College had his prized TIG gloves, and he didn't want anyone else trying them on. There was this groove on the side of a finger that he had worn in, and he said it would get screwed up if someone else wore his glove.

I've gone through a few pairs of gloves. They end up getting burnt from touching hot metal and I've never worn in a groove yet.

What hood do you wear? Which number filter? Do you change filter for aluminum vs. steel?

I use a speed glass hood,the gloves I use are the deer skin tillman you can get at ramsey off of Glendale they give me better hand and finger movement. Yes I go darker when I weld aluminum shade 12 when I weld steel shade 10.Im left handed I feed my weld wire with no glove at all just my bare hand .Only time I wear a glove on both hands when I weld aluminum it just to much heat coming off the work piece for me to handle.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:57 am    Post subject: Re: Offroad Trailer build Reply with quote

I got the trailer jack on, IM really not happy with it going to take it back,



Im going to get this one instead it is a weld on one and can be removed

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Jimbolio
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Offroad Trailer build Reply with quote

But you can't hand jack your trailer very well with that flat bottom.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Offroad Trailer build Reply with quote

Jimbolio wrote:
But you can't hand jack your trailer very well with that flat bottom.

Going to weld a wheel to the bottom of the plate,and call it good enough.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Offroad Trailer build Reply with quote

I have been getting ideas for the trailer build from expedition portal, ran across this build guy owns a fj and built a four link set up for his rear axle for his trailer. Doc what gain would your get from this kind of set up. I remember asking you a while back you said the effort and cost would not be worth it and go with a leaf spring set up. It has a cool factor but would it out perform a leaf spring set up ?.

four link trailer build
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Offroad Trailer build Reply with quote

Ok round two this is what I wanted from the start I got this from auto safety house today.

Tube mount fillet weld I could weld fillet weld joints all day.


Here is the jack Installed, I got the heavy duty cast iron wheel from lowes decided to bolt the wheel on if I ever needed to replace it. I put a few stitch welds on the back side .

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 8:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Offroad Trailer build Reply with quote

I got the trailer led tail lights installed today, I still need to weld the sheet metal to the frame. It will have to wait for next weekend ran out of argon for my welder.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 9:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Offroad Trailer build Reply with quote

I got some diamond plate to skin the wheel wells for next weekend .
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