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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:29 pm    Post subject: The HAM radio/amateur radio info thread (FAQ) Reply with quote

I hope this isn't too long winded or complex. I've tried to break this down into sections in FAQ form to help people just get the info they want.

Where's the AZFJ callsign list?

azfj.org/index.php?nam...950#143950


What is ham radio?
Amateur radio, often called ham radio, is both a hobby and a service in which participants, called "hams," use various types of radio communications equipment to communicate with other radio amateurs for public service, recreation and self-training. Due to the extreme long range available to ham radio operators (30+ miles simplex with a basic license) the FCC requires a license in order to use this equipment.
WIKIPEDIA LINK

Why should I care about ham radio?

  1. DISTANCE! With modest mobile (in car) gear and a technicians license you can talk over 30 miles with your own power, radio to radio. If you use a repeater (stationary devices all over the us that extend your range) your range can include hundreds of miles.

  2. CLARITY! Another nice attribute of ham radio is that it uses FM (CB uses AM just for reference). FM and AM are just like what you remember from listening to your cars radio. You could definitely hear the radio station on AM, but FM was remarkably clearer. Same thing here with ham radio.

  3. HARDWARE! If you're a gadget geek or just looking for something simple, ham radio offers it all. This is technology that is still advancing all the time. There are tons of options for some of the best electronic communications gear available.

  4. EMERGENCY! Need to make a phone call but your cell phone doesn't work? Ham has you covered. Need to talk to someone in Arizona from your trip in Mexico? Ham still has you covered. Want to send out your exact GPS coordinates all the time so others can find you easily if necessary? Ham has you covered again! The original intent of the US amateur service was to prepare the general public for emergency communications. Ham licenses were BUILT for it! ***All of these features will be a function of what frequencies you are using and what is available in your area, they are examples only meant to indicate the vast number of emergency features available to ham operators***


Test? OMG! How hard is it?
No reason to get your underwear in a bunch, the basic test is very easy. I know that many of you probably associate math or signals geeks with ham radio and think that the tests are a lot harder than they actually are. The good news is that CW, or morse code, is no longer required for ANY test. If you have no idea what I'm talking about don't worry about it, all tests are simple multiple choice written tests. The three current available licenses in the US are as follows:
  • Technician class - This will get you the basic privileges 99.9% of you are most likely to use on a regular basis while traveling in your FJ. There are lots of options with this "basic" class and it will give you what you need to talk well over 30 miles in many areas. It's not the ultimate emergency tool like the general license is, but in many places will allow you to communicate very long distances to call for help (or your buddies) if necessary. The test is VERY easy and over half of it is common sense stuff about safety. Most people will pass with ease even if they bomb every single math question on the test. With that said, if you can divide and multiply, then you'll ace the math stuff as well. Don't take my word for it, take some practice exams and see for yourself.

  • General class - This is where you really step up your distance of communication. General class is all about HF (or high frequency) privileges. HF has better distance propagation than what you see in the Tech privileges and at higher power in some instances. This is the license you want if you need to talk to someone in Arizona from your Baja 1000 trip under your own power. The ultimate in emergency communications. However that comes at greater complexity and cost of equipment. The test and math requirements are quite a bit higher than the tech exam but you won't be doing calculus on the test. Most of these tests are memorization of frequencies and law. There is a lot more focus on circuit design and understanding of components in this test. While not impossible, will take a lot more studying for those of you who are not already EEs.

  • Extra class - If you get this far, you are probably really into the hobby side of things and already know what this will do for you. In general, this class will appeal to people who want to gain access to the entire range of frequencies that amateurs in the US enjoy. It won't give you a lot in terms of frequency privilege, but those frequencies you do gain access to can be very helpful with communication with nations outside of the US. You also will receive the benefit of a extra short call sign if that suits your fancy..


How do I get my ham license?

There are apps for the iPhone and Android that help you study, and gain aptitude.

iPhone = Ham Tech (free)
Android = Ham Radio Study (free)

If you're more of a book learner, it's hard to go wrong with the ARRL references
www.arrl.org/shop/Ham-...d-Edition/

Sometimes joining the ARRL can come with a book. It's always worth a check and it's a great organization to support anyway.
www.arrl.org/join-arrl...embership/


Here are the practice exams. These are the ACTUAL questions you will see on the test picked randomly from a pool of around 300. Take this enough times and you'll have seen every question possible on the test.
www.qrz.com/ht/ - these now require you to login but you don't need a license to get an account.

Here's where you find a local place in your area to take the test:
www.arrl.org/find-an-a...am-session

I took my exam at:
Sponsor: DEVRY ARC&WEST VALLEY ARC
Time: 9:00 AM (Walk-ins allowed)
Contact: DAVID R MORRILL
(623)925-0680
Email: N7TWT @ COX.NET
VEC: ARRL/VEC
Location: DEVRY UNIVERSITY
2149 W DUNLAP AVE
PHOENIX, AZ 85021

Cost is $15 to take the test.

What should I look for in a radio?
This is probably the first question most people ask. This will be from the new tech licensees point of view. If you have your general, you already know all of this. There are several decisions you'll need to make about what kind of radio you want. I'll cover some very basics here.

Hand held (HT) or Mobile?
The number one thing you get with a permanent (mobile) radio is power. 10 times the power usually (5w vs 50w+). Hand helds are generally very limited in power. Both can usually be used with external antennas and there are radios available in both that do just about anything you want. However, the power is worth it. If it's your first radio and you're using it in your vehicle, get a mobile unit. 50w makes a huge difference in your distance. You will limit your range if you decide to go with a hand held for your first radio, but will gain some mobility outside of the vehicle if that's important to you.

Dual receive?
Some radios actually have two radios built in one. This allows you to monitor two stations at once and switch between them at will. This is very useful for monitoring a repeater for very long distance communication, while still talking to your friends on a simplex channel. It's not a must have, but most will find it very useful. Some of these radios will even let you use them as repeaters (cross band repeat), but don't worry too much about that if it doesn't make sense. It's mostly useful to listening to two frequencies at once.

Single, Dual, Triband, or Quad+ radio?
The first thing you'll need to decide is if you want a dual (or even tri) band radio or not. The two most used frequency groups in ham radio are 2m and 70cm (aka 440). There are many excellent and inexpensive 2m only radios. However, you will severely limit your access to repeaters if you choose to get a radio that does not support the 70cm frequency. This doesn't mean there aren't a lot of repeaters on 2m, but 70cm is very popular for repeater use as well. Most of the time while on the trail or traveling with friends we all use 2m simplex (radio to radio communications). If that's all you care about and you're willing to deal with losing access to some 70cm repeaters, just get a 2m single band radio. As for tri-band radios and above, I do not recommend them to most people. 6m and other frequencies available to tech licensees aren't highly used by others at this time and it can make antenna configurations more complex. If you've got the money, go for it! It can't hurt to have too much access to additional options, but it's something most will never use.

PL, CTCSS, "encoding" oh my!
All modern radios will support Privacy "tones". These are tones at a certain frequency that will give you access to repeaters and special equipment listening for communication with that signal. You WANT a radio that supports this. Without it you'll be limited mostly to simplex only. This is only a concern if you are looking at much older radios in the used market. Make sure it has tone capability for use with repeaters! It has other uses as well, but this is the most important one. CTCSS is usually the technology keyword you should look for. DCS is also common in some radios and is the digital equivalent of the tone based CTCSS system. Don't worry if the radio doesn't support DCS, it's not commonly used at this time.

There are lots of other features I could discuss, but this will arm you with some basics that you need to know. Post in this thread if you have questions about other features.

No really, just tell me what radio to buy!
There are lots of options I'm not even familiar with. I used Yaesu and Kenwood, so that's what I know. Here's some options ordered by price for mobiles, each unit includes the features of the previous unless indicated otherwise.
Yaesu FT-2800M - SINGLE band 2m only, mil standard tough, high 65w output (highest power output off all in this list)
Yaesu FT-7800M - Steps up to Dual band 2m/70cm, steps down to 50w on 2m and 40w on 70cm and you loose the "mil standard" (it's still a tough radio)
Yaesu FT-8800M - Steps up to DUAL receive (This is my recommendation and the radio I use)
Kenwood TM-D710A - Built in TNC for APRS, Feature rich king of the dual band/dual receive radios.

If you're looking for a real budget buy, watch the used markets or ham radio swap meets. These radios really are tough and tend to last. I wouldn't be scared of buying used.

What's a good antenna mount for the FJ?
One of the easiest mounts for the FJ is a lip mount for the back door. It fits nicely and it's on the opposite side of most bandi-mount installations. The one I've used is the comet CP-5M. I don't really like the NMO connector, so I usually go for the smaller PL-259 option. Either will work just fine, so don't get hung up on that. If it comes with enough coax to reach your radio, just get the package that comes with coax. This may not work for everyone. Our installation isn't enough to reach all the way to the dash! Do your measurements first before you buy.

www.cometantenna.com/p...childID=14

This mount isn't the most ideal ground plane possible, but I've found it to be very adequate. Simplex tests have repeatedly reached 20-30 miles. However, if you have the room, center roof mount is almost always better.

I've used both diamond and comet mounts. Either brand will serve you well.

What kind of antenna should I get?
This will be dependent on if you need a dual or single band. These antennas are all rated for the frequencies they support. So if you need a 2m, just buy a 2m rated antenna. Likewise for the 2m/70m. Those of you who have dealt with tuning CB will appreciate the fact that 2m/70cm antennas require NO tuning. At least that's what they usually tell you. Any system can be tuned for optimal SWR, but mostly unnecessary here. I recommend getting the tallest antenna you think you can get away with for the areas you plan on traveling to. If you're constantly traveling to place with very low brush you may be tempted to get a rubber ducky antenna. These antennas are not very good. If it's the only option you have, go for it, it's better than nothing. However, a 38" dual band antenna like the comet SBB-5 is good option. It has a coil in the middle that will help the antenna flex a bit and the mount will also fold over if it gets tagged too hard.
www.cometantenna.com/p...&childID=4

I've used comet and diamond radio products. They both make great similar antennas.

I've heard that ham radio requires a lot of special etiquette?
I don't think it's as bad as some people make it out to be but there are some rules you should know.

  • There is absolutely no foul language allowed on ham radio frequencies.

  • You are required by the FCC to state your callsign every 10 minutes and at the end of any conversation. This is very important on repeaters but tends to get more relaxed during simplex communication. However, that is the rule!

  • You may not broadcast music of any kind (unless you're in the international space station)

  • You may not intentionally encrypt or otherwise obfuscate your communication. Normal speech is generally required.


This is a good list of the basics. The rules are easy to follow and it shouldn't impact your ability to have good trail communication. There are more that you'll learn before your test or you can read about them here:
www.arrl.org/FandES/fi...ws/part97/

Is there anyone local who can help me with gear?
You're in luck, we have one of the best local ham shops in the country.
www.hamradio.com/locat...?storeid=6
their online store:
www.hamradio.com/

Where can I buy used gear?
Other than ebay, the most active place I know to buy used gear online is QRZ. You do not need a call sign to register, but some hams may not sell to you without verifying your call. They also have a wanted section as well.
forums.qrz.com/forumdi...r-For-Sale

What frequencies does AZFJ use?
For simplex we are partial to the 2m freq 146.460 (sometimes called 4x4 2)
Repeater wise, the jury is still out on that. =)

So I've got my radio, now what?
One of the best ways to get started is just to start listening. Jump on a repeater and listen. Don't be afraid to join in and say hello. You'll find that most hams are pretty nice people and they all like to chat. Aside from random chatter, one of the best things you can do is join a weekly net. A net is nothing more than a agreed upon time and place for a group of people to meet on the air, usually regularly. The two in the Phoenix area that I suggest are the 4x4ham net and the MCECG. It may seem overwhelming, but I highly encourage people to PARTICIPATE. This is how we learn and the two I suggest are filled with good people.

4x4ham net
This is a great net filled with nothing but offroad ham radio enthusiasts. Everything from hardcore rock crawlers to more tame fun daily outings. If you're looking for a fun offroad net to start getting into using your ham, this is a great one to join.

Net info:
www.4x4ham.com/misc.ph...te=NetInfo


MCECG
The MCECG is the maricopa county emergency communication group. This net is usually a LOT of fun. It's on the same repeater (see quote above) every Monday night at 9pm. The purpose of this net is practice for emergency situations. This is a great net to get familiarized with your radio because almost every week they do some sort of activity where you're required to break out the manual and do something specific. If you're looking to learn, this is a good one to join.

www.mcecg.net/guest/

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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:43 pm    Post subject: Re: The HAM radio thread Reply with quote

Yup, beginning of June I am doing this for sure! Then my only goal will be constant mockery of nonHAMS until we are all converts. Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 7:54 pm    Post subject: Re: The HAM radio thread Reply with quote

No ham for me....please pass the turkey.....

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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 9:35 pm    Post subject: Re: The HAM radio thread Reply with quote

I'm in just because I want to be able to use the radio too!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:29 pm    Post subject: Re: The HAM radio thread Reply with quote

Just FYI for all. They have a Saturday's class @ MCC starting Oct 11th –Nov 22nd 10:00am to 1:00pm. Class is $27 if anyone might be interested.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:15 am    Post subject: Re: The HAM radio thread Reply with quote

I just received my call sign. Now I just need to get some equipment. Hope to chat with you all when I get it up and running.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:15 am    Post subject: Re: The HAM radio thread Reply with quote

Hell yes... Congrats! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:17 am    Post subject: Re: The HAM radio thread Reply with quote

tibaal89 wrote:
Hell yes... Congrats! Very Happy

Thanks. I am looking forward to getting my gear.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:46 am    Post subject: Re: The HAM radio thread Reply with quote

We are working at picking a good "offroad" repeater. Something that we can chat on that isn't as heavily used as some of the more popular ones. It would be nice to be able to break away from the normal ham chatter. Haven't picked one out yet, but I need more help testing the range on some of them.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:52 pm    Post subject: Re: The HAM radio thread Reply with quote

Mr_R2FJ

I got the Yaesu 8800r with remote mount head. I also just got a mag mount for now until I figure out where and how I want to mount it all. I am looking forward to getting it all up and running. I know we use CB channel 16 for the group, but do we have a channel preference set for 2M yet? Also did you ever have time to look further into your local 4x4 repeater setup?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:27 am    Post subject: Re: The HAM radio thread Reply with quote

Great to see more 4 wheelers getting licensed. I've been procrastinating on going for my extra & becoming a VE = volunteer examiner. Thought if more of us did this would make it easier to get more licensed. Make it fun if we could offer a wheel in to your exam Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:43 pm    Post subject: Re: The HAM radio/amateur radio info thread Reply with quote

MASSIVE update to the first post. I hope this helps some people. I'm still adding to it. Yetti I added a freq that AZFJ uses often.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:50 pm    Post subject: Re: The HAM radio/amateur radio info thread Reply with quote

Great additional info. Now that I have mine I hate having to use my CB on the trail. Extremely worth it just for clarity and auto-patch use.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:54 pm    Post subject: Re: The HAM radio/amateur radio info thread Reply with quote

Mr_R2FJ wrote:
MASSIVE update to the first post. I hope this helps some people. I'm still adding to it. Yetti I added a freq that AZFJ uses often.
Wow very thorough Josh! Thanks for all the great info.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:58 pm    Post subject: Re: The HAM radio/amateur radio info thread Reply with quote

Mr_R2FJ wrote:
Yetti I added a freq that AZFJ uses often.

I still have the freq locked in from the last time I saw Mike out on the trail.

Thanks again for all the updated info.

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