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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 10:15 pm    Post subject: Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance Reply with quote

I remember this book from English class in 9th grade circa 1985.

RIP sir. 4/24/17. 88 years.

His definition of "Quality", is very well said.

We love FJ's, but not what we mean.

Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:04 am    Post subject: Re: Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance Reply with quote

well if you are not familiar with the book

www.bartneck.de/projec...ig/zen.pdf

or

www.arvindguptatoys.co...rcycle.pdf

as to why it was randomly mentioned here.. not sure.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 6:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance Reply with quote

The author passed yesterday. It was mentioned on NPR.

It was an interesting book, but not, in my opinion, for the reasons that the author intended. He intended to write a story about how he, as the main character, explored the idea of "quality" as a sort of quasi-philosophical concept. He grafted this story of introspective exploration onto an externalized story about riding his motorcycle over the mountains with his son on the back. The two stories were designed to run parallel. As he mentally ascended to the heights of abstraction, he journeyed farther into the mountains and over to the other side.

The real story, though, was of a man who was so preoccupied with his puzzle that he completely ignored his son, who was in obvious agony for lack of a human relationship. Only at the end of the book, did the father appear to acknowledge this, and, in my opinion, in a much less than hopeful manner, and perhaps only by way of applying his new-found discovery of "quality" to his relationship with the boy.

I believe the author intended this to come across as insightful, but to me it rings utterly hollow on inspection against a broader view of respectful humanism - something many other pseudophilosophers have treated much much better.

What makes me feel the most ill about the book is that it was widely regarded as a good read by many of the engineering students I grew up with, and on them, even this shallow call to balance humanism against technical preoccupation was totally lost. To them, the story about the son was an unexplained distraction to the real value of the book - the thoughts about quality.

Unfortunately, not many people share my feelings about the book. Interesting reading yes, but I've watched it be misused and ultimately appear to foster the very behavior it was perhaps intended to help minimize.

Yes. RIP, Mr. Pirsig. You did give us a bit to think about.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance Reply with quote



"Everybody Falls the First Time"
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance Reply with quote

BellyDoc wrote:
The author passed yesterday. It was mentioned on NPR.

It was an interesting book, but not, in my opinion, for the reasons that the author intended. He intended to write a story about how he, as the main character, explored the idea of "quality" as a sort of quasi-philosophical concept. He grafted this story of introspective exploration onto an externalized story about riding his motorcycle over the mountains with his son on the back. The two stories were designed to run parallel. As he mentally ascended to the heights of abstraction, he journeyed farther into the mountains and over to the other side.

The real story, though, was of a man who was so preoccupied with his puzzle that he completely ignored his son, who was in obvious agony for lack of a human relationship. Only at the end of the book, did the father appear to acknowledge this, and, in my opinion, in a much less than hopeful manner, and perhaps only by way of applying his new-found discovery of "quality" to his relationship with the boy.

I believe the author intended this to come across as insightful, but to me it rings utterly hollow on inspection against a broader view of respectful humanism - something many other pseudophilosophers have treated much much better.

What makes me feel the most ill about the book is that it was widely regarded as a good read by many of the engineering students I grew up with, and on them, even this shallow call to balance humanism against technical preoccupation was totally lost. To them, the story about the son was an unexplained distraction to the real value of the book - the thoughts about quality.

Unfortunately, not many people share my feelings about the book. Interesting reading yes, but I've watched it be misused and ultimately appear to foster the very behavior it was perhaps intended to help minimize.

Yes. RIP, Mr. Pirsig. You did give us a bit to think about.

I really just appreciated the suggestion to use an aluminum can to keep my handlebars from slipping. That was information I used almost immediately. Pretty sure I stopped reading shortly after that part though since that literally was the maintenance my motorcycle needed, so I went back to riding my motorcycle assuming that was the "zen" part the book title had mentioned.

If a movie ever comes out, I'll probably go see it then be disappointed if I don't learn any more useful repair tricks.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:58 am    Post subject: Re: Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance Reply with quote

I found something related I guess??? Shocked

jalopnik.com/207899/th...fj-cruiser

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:08 am    Post subject: Re: Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance Reply with quote

Thank you.

Homdad. Would you like to fill in this kid?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:15 am    Post subject: Re: Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance Reply with quote

I miss you Homedad (Kurt).
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:41 am    Post subject: Re: Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance Reply with quote

ridiculously bothered by ex wrote:

even as you're smoking your tires on slick rocks or high-centering the truck so brilliantly that you could literally change all four tires with no worry of the thing tipping over on you. And well, that, friends, is why God gave us the electric winch.

Zen and the Art of Drooling:

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 8:52 am    Post subject: Re: Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance Reply with quote

Cough.....

phoenix.craigslist.org...32761.html

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 11:52 am    Post subject: Re: Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance Reply with quote

azflycaster wrote:
Cough.....

phoenix.craigslist.org...32761.html

Still,
It is pretty pristine (Albeit 93K used up)

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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2017 11:58 am    Post subject: Re: Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance Reply with quote

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I miss you Homedad (Kurt).

You're hot Smile

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 10:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance Reply with quote

Hello Homedad, glad to hear from you.
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